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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 18, 2012 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SF CIA LSD (non-Dead?)

That's 800 programs of unwitting or coerced dosing? In contrast to the programs where there was consent, like Kesey at Stanford? (Did that have some level of CIA funding? I've assumed that was just straight psychology research, but I don't really know.)

But that would have been 40 new and separate programs each year for 20 years. And hundreds of thousands of people ... well, that just doesn't ring true to me. I'd have a hard time picturing more than a few thousand, even counting the willing grad-student guinea pigs. For context, in 1960, there were about 250,000 people in prisons and about 800,000 people in the Army, so "hundreds of thousands" would mean the equivalent of all the people in prison in 1960, or a third of the people in the Army, and even over a 20-year span, that just doesn't sound realistic.

But even assuming there were "only" a few hundred to a few thousand people given unnamed surprises in their martinis (or while sitting in prison cells or strapped to hospital beds), it's just so unbelievably unethical. And of course, if they HAD snuck it onto Casto's toothbrush or whatever that plan was, let's just hope he'd have had a nice salsa band around to inspire him and not a red button and a hotline to the nukes. The mind boggles.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Mar 18, 2012 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SF CIA LSD (non-Dead?)

Wonderful criticism, AR, of my undependable memory. I'll try to grab the books this week and look it up. You're in Nepal, aren't you (or is that Ringolevio?) where the books probably aren't easy to find.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 18, 2012 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SF CIA LSD (non-Dead?)

Yeah, that's me ... not exactly much interlibrary loan here. Or libraries. Though the bookstores are full of things that I'm sure would be "rare books" in your parts.

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